Death's In The 'Verse

[FaithLehane]

Okay so we're rounding the corner on our first major verse death
(and I just read a most shocking death list,that had Joyce&Wash on it.Lol)


I'm wondering where the Deaths fall for everyone else.
Which upset you the most?
Which one did you find ridiculous?(In terms of HOW they died)
Which one in YOUR eyes affected the series in a Positive/Negative way?

and well anything else you would like to say about the Deaths on BtVS&Ats.

(I made the topic in the Angel section ,because Doyle is our first major verse death.)

[smartgirl63]

Fred's death upset me the most. But there were so many others that hurt like hell.
I know I'll get (more) flak for this opinion, but Joyce's death didn't really move me. I felt sorry for everyone, but I didn't cry or anything in that episode.

[beth]

This is a really interesting topic.

I was devastated by Spike's death.  Just wrecked.  But it was also very beautiful.  I'm really curious about people's thoughts on his being brought back in AtS, because I have crazily mixed feelings about it.

Wesley's death also left me pretty broken.
 
Tara and Joyce -- both very upsetting, even though I have a lot of issues with Joyce.
I was also very upset by Jonathan's death -- is that a weird one?

Re: Fred's death -- my upset is more for Wesley and how he feels about her death than it is for her death itself.  I have some Fred issues too.  I know I'm in the minority here and expect to get flack for this.

Anya -- I love many things about Anya, but her death was not unexpected and made sense to me in a way that left me not overly upset.  Kind of how Xander reacts to it.

[smartgirl63]

This is a really interesting topic.

I was devastated by Spike's death.  Just wrecked.  But it was also very beautiful.  I'm really curious about people's thoughts on his being brought back in AtS, because I have crazily mixed feelings about it.

Wesley's death also left me pretty broken.
 
Tara and Joyce -- both very upsetting, even though I have a lot of issues with Joyce.
I was also very upset by Jonathan's death -- is that a weird one?

Re: Fred's death -- my upset is more for Wesley and how he feels about her death than it is for her death itself.  I have some Fred issues too.  I know I'm in the minority here and expect to get flack for this.

Anya -- I love many things about Anya, but her death was not unexpected and made sense to me in a way that left me not overly upset.  Kind of how Xander reacts to it.

I felt the same way about Anya. I was so upset by Fred's death because I knew how it would affect the rest of the characters. I was sad about Jonathan, too. My heart must be made of stone because Joyce's death didn't affect me as much as most people. Although it killed me to hear Buffy say, "Mommy?" at the end of the episode in which Dawn brings her back (can't remember the title and too lazy to look it up).

[FaithLehane]

Anya's death stung,I knew we weren't going to get out of the final battle unscathed .... I was sooo hoping Andrew was gonna take the hit.(As adorable as Tom Lenk is,Emma/Anya had been a fav of mine since she arrived)

Tara's death tore me apart(Obviously I'm going to exaggerate a smidge but my feelings were rivalling Willow's,She couldn't have killed Warren fast enough;For me anyway)

Fred's death was on par with Anya's...it left me breathless.(Fred was my fav Ats Character,the build up did nothing to make it easier..it may have made it worse actually;giving us a way to save her and NOT taking it)

I expected Cordy's....it hurt to have her back and then reveal she was dead.(I knew something was hinky Lol)

Joyce's death...didn't hit me straight away,I cried but only when Anya went into her "I Don't Understand" speech(that was a running gag with a friend actually)...I missed her in the later seasons.
I think I didn't let Joyce's death touch me because only a yr earlier the exact same thing happened to me but it was my Grandfather...the couch,the aneurysm..me there when it happened.

[FaithLehane]

Jonathan's death annoyed me ...because he was a fav character of mine,even when he joined the trioka.
(It was heartbreaking because he'd just had a major epiphany, I don't know why Andrew out lived him)

I remember watching 'Not Fade Away' and just bawling...at everything Lol,it was the end of an era and people were dropping like flies.

Wesley's death....has to be the most Heroic and Gutwrenching death EVER(and I'm not even a huge Wes fan)and to top it all off Illyria pulled a Fred to make it easier on Wes;I was literally blinded by tears at that point.
As soon as 'Not Fade Away' finished I called my friend(we'd made a pact since moving away from each other)and I wish I was kidding but the first 15/20mins was just crying and muffled OMG's Lol.

And Gunn being taken down by Vampires,something that usually would never happen.I didn't realise at first what Illyria meant when she said "You're fading,you'll last 10 minutes at best"...it hit me when I watched the finale on DVD.....he really didn't make it out of that fight.

In regards to other deaths on Ats Lilah&Lindsey's shocked me more then they upset me,Darla's was epic and unexpected..and in retrospect really really sad.I'd only just come to love her as a character when she suddenly took her life to bring connor into the world.

[bdegrande]

Wash upset me the most, at it was out of nowhere in his moment of triumph.

The ones that annoyed me the most, as they seemed to serve little purpose in the overall story were Jonathan and Anya.

I thought Cordelia's death was handled very well, and, although Fred's death was horrible, I really got to like the character of Illyria, I would have loved to have seen what happened to her in another season.

[smartgirl63]

And Gunn being taken down by Vampires,something that usually would never happen.I didn't realise at first what Illyria meant when she said "You're fading,you'll last 10 minutes at best"...it hit me when I watched the finale on DVD.....he really didn't make it out of that fight.

I believe Gunn survived because he appears in Angel After the Fall. I haven't read it personally.

[FaithLehane]

@Bob

I....I can't even talk about Wash's death.....out of all the death's that Joss has made us sit through,it's the one that kills me most.
Theres not alot that can shut me up but for almost an hour after seeing Serenity at the theatre I DID NOT TALK....it actually freaked my family out.

@Angie

Oh he's alive in the comics alright...Lol.
I own the 1st two issues....I won't spoil how they got out of that situation.

[beth]

Oh, yeah.  Wash.  Wow.  Shocker.

I was so bummed about what had been done with Cordelia that her death was oddly anti-climactic.  It's a shame, because it shouldn't have been.

[CharlieK]

Let's see...

Most upsetting for me: probably Tara. It came out of nowhere (yes, the first time, I just thought she finally joined the main cast, hence Amber's name in the credits...) and she was my favourite character for a long time. On my latest rewatch maybe Anya's death had the most impact on me (as she became my fav character), though it's pretty hard to separate it from the overall mayhem of the finale (am I the only one crying for the last 15-20 minutes pretty much every time?).

Biggest effect: I think there are two pretty major ones. Joyce's death forced both the characters and the show to mature, to take that final leap away from childhood. I'd also point out Buffy's death at the end of S5, because it had an effect on both BtVS and AtS.

I did like Firefly and Serenity, but the demise of Wash/Book in Serenity just didn't have that much of a impact on me. Most likely because we had spent just a handful of episodes with them, plus they were the two least interesting characters for me.

And I think Cordy's death is probably the best send-off for a character in the entire Whedonverse. It's not very shocking (come on, she was in a coma for a long time), but felt very natural and beautiful, yet bitter sweet at the same time.

[FaithLehane]

I'm trying to figure out if my exclusion of Jenny is just because I'm not fond of her or was it because she didn't really affect the series on a whole.

Why do I count Doyle has the 1st major verse death,when he wasn't even in as many eps as Jenny.


Thoughts?

[bdegrande]

I'm trying to figure out if my exclusion of Jenny is just because I'm not fond of her or was it because she didn't really affect the series on a whole.

Why do I count Doyle has the 1st major verse death,when he wasn't even in as many eps as Jenny.


Thoughts?

Only that I definitely should have included Jenny. that was both shocking and was the first time we realized what Joss was capable of (the deaths of Jesse and Principal Flutie and Buffy's temporary death really didn't have the same impact.

[FaithLehane]

Riight,Jenny's Death definitely is the 1st of the unexpected and shocking ones.
But Principle Flutie was a WTF moment....and bought us Snyder who had a huge imapct on the series and was another "I can't believe they died that way" Deaths.

I guess Joss intended for it to start with Jesse...but that sorta fell flat,because we didn't know him well enough.

Does Darla's staking at the hands of Angel count?Or is just random vampire was staked ...who cares.
At the time she was killable but she later became a huge part of well to be honest both series.

[mike.gollihue]

I would say that Wash's death shocled me the most. I remember sitting in the theater and having laughter ripped out of my throat as he went into his I'm a leaf on the wind line only to be skewered. I had to go re-watch the movie cause i just sit in shock and did not remember the next 5 minutes after his death.

Wes affected me the most. I love Wesley and I just knew it made sense story wise to kill him so i expected it. It still affected me hardcore and depressed me for awhile.

Joyce bothered me for awhile because it was so close to the same time I lost my own mother. I wan't a big Joyce fan but I knew exactly what Buffy was going through and I hurt for her. I think Joss captured death and the emotions that go with it better then anyone in that episode.