HMPC 0315 - Consequences

[hellmouth]

Let's talk about Consequences...

[beth]

I wanted to touch on something Bryan brought up in the podcast: that in this episode,  during the scenes where Angel is basically "investigating" Alan's death, we get a glimpse of the Angel we'll soon see in AtS.  I hadn't thought of Angel's role in this episode as foreshadowing his role in AtS, but I certainly agree that it does; similarly, we see him "helping the hopeless/helpless" in his efforts with Faith.

I've always thought that there was something interesting and a little odd in the way Angel talks to Faith about the exhiliration and the power he used to feel when doing murder.  It's as if he's reluctantly almost enjoying the memory, like he's feeling the pull to experience those feelings again, at the very same time that he's warning Faith about the danger of doing so.  He sounds and seems very Angelus-y during the scenes with Faith, and I think that he even slips into a brogue for just a moment.  Maybe I'm just reading into this, but that's always the sense I've gotten from the Angel-Faith scenes, and I wasn't sure what this meant.  But the scenes being played that way actually makes a lot of sense if it's meant to foreshadow what we will see Angel struggle with in the future -- the desire to give in to his own/Angelus's dark impulses.

[bsmith093]

The way I see it, Faith is more spooked by her own callousness towards killing a human, and the Scoobies reaction to her actions, than the murder itself.
She's scared for herself, and the serious God complex she's developing, and the apparent result of her Slayer philosophy.

[Kevin Bachelder]

I finally got to hear Bryan's "super ultra mega protective mode" quote. 

Excellent podcast with many points brought up that require some serious consideration as far as hope they set things in motion for the future.


Kevin

[bdegrande]

The way I see it, Faith is more spooked by her own callousness towards killing a human, and the Scoobies reaction to her actions, than the murder itself.
She's scared for herself, and the serious God complex she's developing, and the apparent result of her Slayer philosophy.

I don't think so. Faith's initial reaction is that she is badly shaken, trying to keep Allan alive, saying (correctly) that she didn't mean it, trying to wash the blood off the hands, etc. It is only after Buffy's bizarre reaction that Faith's attitude hardens to I don't care.  I think that by that time the damage was done. When Buffy thought that SHE had accidentally killed a human (Ted), none of her friends were screeching that being a slayer wasn't the same thing as being a killer. They supported her and tried to help her through it, and they didn't have the first hand knowledge of making the instantaneous decisions that a slayer must make that Buffy had.  She should have calmly suggested that they go to Giles for advice, as this sort of thing surely must have happened to slayers before (and in fact, it looks like the Council did have procedures for dealing with this sort of thing).